[NA] WEST - Guild Valorous v2

king07 · 9/2/14

hốt được cái này trên 4rum NA thấy cũng đúng nên đem về post cho những ai đang chơi và muốn chơi evie scy

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Is Scythe UP?

Well, sort of.

DISCLAIMER: Pretty long rant incoming, likely going to step on some toes with it too.

The first issue is the reason why she has a higher skill REQUIREMENT (_not_ cap) than any other character/weapon combo in the game.

She can only all-in, and does not have the ability to directly convert defensive stats into offensive stats while doing so.

The only superarmor that Scythie has is on her pulls, which are at the very end of a combo unit (the E in L(1-4)RE). Because of this, she has to evade for the entire duration of the windup. Unfortunately for her, all of her "quick" smashes (LLR, LR, R, Blade Shift) have pitiful damage ratios compared to a simple Thread+MoD combo. This basically means you are pigeonholed into doing the long smashes to get off any damage, and you have to evade while you wind up.

This is why bosses like Keaghan, Iset, and hell, even Elchu are such pains in the ass for Scythe. The first two have very quick "Crazy Ivan" attacks, the third all but never holds still. Those two properties (short-reaction 180-degree attacks and constant quick movement) are literal counters to her kit's design.

Other classes have access to some form of superarmor, allowing them to reliably use their face (if they desire) and get off their damage anyways.
Many other classes have access to quick combos that have respectable damage outputs.
Many other classes have access to more responsive combo interruptions, and DB Vella specifically gets to keep her combo when she evades with it.

The second issue is her supposedly "free" stuff.

Mana Shield is actually extremely OP... early on. The reason is it's a gigantic health bar with no defense. Early game content is balanced around the idea that you would have nearly no defense to begin with, so it effectively doubles or even triples your health, while also making a large chunk of it regenerate on its own.

The problem is late game. When things start expecting you to have at least 6k def or so, the 0-def-huge-bar nature of Mana Shield becomes a bad thing. Most bosses will hit your mana shield for 70% or more almost every time they hit it. Its only saving grace in higher level fights is its gated nature (you must finish destroying mana shield before you can get to the squishy HP-based center of the Evie using it) allowing it to soak that 70%+ hit fully even at 1%. Of course, this doesn't work when you get critted, as there's a "glitch" that has been around since the dawn of time (making many people (like me) believe it's actually a misfeature) which causes crits to oneshot you (skip the gate, apply full damage to your health as well but as though you had your Mana Shield's 0 defense; might be a multiplier in there too, dunno).

Magic Mastery gives free matk! Excellent, means we easily will have more attack score than everyone else, right?
Wrong.

Besides Str->Atk being better than Int->Matk (something close to 2.7:1 (iirc) vs exactly 2:1) being a thing that almost single-handedly makes up for this difference...

Besides the majority of str armors having def values leaps and bounds above int armors (once again, remember the part above about defense -> offense?)...

There is no high-matk prefix enchant. Divine Punishment opposes Maelstrom, but nothing opposes Explosive. While it is not always ideal to use Explosive due to other stats actually being worth more than simply raw attack stat (people seem to forget this quite often except when it's convenient to their own arguments), Evie doesn't even have the option.

So while at lower gear levels, Mag Mastery is great, when you're sitting at endgame it lags behind.

All of Evie's free stuff is amazing until you get close to or reach endgame. At endgame, your freebies turn into weights, as your combat model was balanced around having those freebies.

It's the same reason why Paladin is better than Dark Knight in the long run. When you first get access to them, and for a long, long while after, DK is the massively better choice. When maxed, it's more than +10k atk and matk in second trans, meaning it literally hits the old cap of 10k breaking (nobody I've asked has been able to tell me if there's still a 10k cap ever since they made defense not a flat reduction) simply by having broken defense in the first place.

But then you reach endgame, where you're naturally over defense by at least 5k on the vast majority of enemies (or you're merely fighting Keaghan who has less than 4k defense). Being a Paladin would mean your trans gives you ridiculous facetanking powers, in addition to increasing your attack stats by enough to cap on a few things. Being a Dark Knight? You get a little bit of bal and crit. That's about it. And Paladins get the exact same crit boost.

All of this is not to say Scythie is impossible to play against certain things. It is not to say she needs massive buffs- she already got those in Ignition and the start of Season 2.

What it is to say is that she is actually quite weak compared to the other characters at endgame.

The biggest thing that needs to happen is Mana Shield needs to be reworked somehow. It needs a purpose at endgame rather than an almost-free soak that takes 15 seconds to come back up. Something that makes going longer than 15 seconds worth something. Something that makes DoT effects and gigantic AoEs less ridiculously strong against her.

Hopefully some of you will actually understand this post. But I'm not holding my breath.
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vnforce · 9/2/14

set wedding trong avatar shop có dye dc ko nhỉ

event này có cái pack nhẫn tình nhân nữa kia à

2 ngày nua mới chơi lại dc. mù thông tin hoàn toàn

Klard235 · 9/2/14

Mua nhẫn tình nhân làm thành cặp với dead đi mys

Kyrje · 10/2/14

Dù khá nguy hiểm và tỉnh táo nhưng đại ca này whisper lộn cmn người để dở trò scam..

Klard235 · 10/2/14

Có vẻ nhọ cho anh là éo biết ếch là người VN

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Này thì scam

Kyrje · 10/2/14

Hí hí.. fashion mới.. ếch có đạo hàng nhớ zả 100m tiền bản quyền!!!!

Northern Wind · 11/2/14

Kyrje nói: ↑

Dù khá nguy hiểm và tỉnh táo nhưng đại ca này whisper lộn cmn người để dở trò scam..

[spoil][/spoil]
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Tiếc thế, gặp ca này thì phải để yên, bắt chuyện 1 lúc rồi phản damage chứ

Kyrje · 11/2/14

Northern Wind nói: ↑

Tiếc thế, gặp ca này thì phải để yên, bắt chuyện 1 lúc rồi phản damage chứ
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Mỗi tội không rảnh để chém gió..
Nhận m` là Guild Master mà không bít GM của Guild ở ngay trong cái Party này.. *cười lộn ruột*

EviL Sword · 12/2/14

OBOT CHAMAN nói: ↑

Bạn ơi.mình giải nén ra nó đòi pass...cho xin cái pass với!!!!!
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Bạn xem lại nhé, có lẽ tôi nén bằng định dạng mới nên báo lỗi. Cài Winrar 5 rồi thử lại.

http://www.download.com.vn/data+file/more+data+file/5250_winrar-32-bit.aspx

vnforce · 12/2/14

vào sớm tranh thủ bật máy tính để update game, nhưng update lâu quá, có vẻ sáng nay ko vào kịp rồi

MateIGamer · 12/2/14

I/M +12 Demain với ?/M +12 Prayer h giá tầm bn mil nhỉ ?

vnforce · 12/2/14

MateIGamer nói: ↑

I/M +12 Demain với ?/M +12 Prayer h giá tầm bn mil nhỉ ?
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tùy theo người bán, nhưng giá chung hiện giờ thì khoảng 1.4-1.5b

Kyrje · 12/2/14

Lịch sử phá hoại trong hơn 2 tuần Tết..

MatelGamer · 12/2/14

à được rồi

Thang CT · 13/2/14

nhờ các bạn 1 tí, ai quen biết gì với silverss7 k nhỉ? vừa bị tay này lừa 2m7 và đang có ý định giúp hắn nổi tiếng nếu không lấy lại được tiền. đã tìm ra được tên tuổi, trường và lớp hắn học, nhưng chưa có địa chỉ gia đình để liên hệ với phụ huynh lấy lại số tiền đã bị lừa và đang cần giúp ở khoản này. mình làm báo game được 6 năm nay nên quen cũng nhiều và chắc có cách để giúp nó tiếng xấu đồn xa.

king07 · 13/2/14

silverss7 gì ấy ở bên WL bạn qua bên đó hỏi xem chứ bên mình không ai quen hết

Klard235 · 13/2/14

uầy thằng này ghê nhỉ

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cướp tiền lun cơ đấy

Master Rid · 13/2/14

Con vẹo Syl, cả trăm năm mới thấy vào lần
Làm ăn vợ con ra sao rầu

MatelGamer · 13/2/14

hồi trước mới đi làm, không có thời gian cày, nên đem cái Mael Demain +10 đi gặp anh Ferghus, sau 1 cú click tuy anh ấy không nói gì nhưng tớ cũng hiểu ý anh ấy bảo tớ nên tập trung vào công việc, thành ra quit hồi tháng 4
h cũng ổn định nên quay về Vin, chắc ko cày được như xưa nhưng cũng onl ổn định

Master Rid · 14/2/14

K sao thanh niên
Mua thêm 3 cái fang nữa thì lại tiếp tục sự nghiệp đập đá
Cứ vào mỗi sáng 9h để raid (nếu đc) huế huế

p/s: Bên TQ nó vừa ra con rune bảo vệ từ +4 ~ +15 WDF.... Hút máu lvl: 99999999999
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