█ WINTER 2020 █ Dragon Room ► Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero (2022)

ConChymBay · 31/10/17

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Broly nữ mạnh hơn SSJ3 thì chưa chắc, vì SSJ Blue của Goku dùng có lúc còn ngang Krillin cơ mà , nên không lôi ra để so sánh được.
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wow, krillin mạnh thế cơ à

Rất Là Hợp Lý · 31/10/17

Nappa có saibamen thì Tien có skill summon Chaotzu ra ôm bom tục vãi

handoi1560 · 31/10/17

thấy đám Ginyu khá vui ấy nhỉ

NgàyKhôngGame · 31/10/17

Hài ở 1 chỗ nữa là Tien bấm combo UP, UP, DOWN, DOWN, LEFT, RIGHT, LEFT, RIGHT , B , A, START để gọi Chaozu ra xong lại giơ tay la lớn " DONT DO IT , CHAOZU " .

Còn Ginyu nếu đổi xác với Android 18 là girl thì không biết thế nào , ý tưởng này có thể vẽ thành doujin còn hay hơn cả Kimi no na wa .

Nghĩ lại thì Ginyu có skill khủng mà không tận dụng , nếu hồi đó chờ khi Freeza hay bố Freeza sơ hở thì cướp xác là thành boss liền , chả việc gì phải đi làm tay sai .

BI_AN · 31/10/17

Sẽ có tình huống như thế này, Ginyu hoán xác cho Tien.
Tien giả kêu Chaozu tự sát giết Tien thật, 2 đứa ôm nhau chết chung luôn.
Game creepy vãi đạn.

K'Dash · 31/10/17

Đậu . Không ngờ có chiêu đó thật, thằng nào nghĩ ra cũng ác quá .

Katori Itto · 31/10/17

Thế tỏng 1 trận chắc dùng skill đó đc 1 lần thôi nhỉ Cái skill hi sinh của Chaozu ấy

phanthieugia · 31/10/17

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Hài ở 1 chỗ nữa là Tien bấm combo UP, UP, DOWN, DOWN, LEFT, RIGHT, LEFT, RIGHT , B , A, START để gọi Chaozu ra xong lại giơ tay la lớn " DONT DO IT , CHAOZU " .

Còn Ginyu nếu đổi xác với Android 18 là girl thì không biết thế nào , ý tưởng này có thể vẽ thành doujin còn hay hơn cả Kimi no na wa .

Nghĩ lại thì Ginyu có skill khủng mà không tận dụng , nếu hồi đó chờ khi Freeza hay bố Freeza sơ hở thì cướp xác là thành boss liền , chả việc gì phải đi làm tay sai .

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Cái multiverse có cái vũ trụ ginyu cướp xác freeza đó

titlado1595 · 1/11/17

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Cái multiverse có cái vũ trụ ginyu cướp xác freeza đó
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Cướp xác King Cold chứ không phải Frieza

BI_AN · 1/11/17

Hàng Tori, baby cute.
Có lão nào biết tiếng Nhật không xem lão viết cái gì =]]

K'Dash · 1/11/17

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Hàng Tori, baby cute.
Có lão nào biết tiếng Nhật không xem lão viết cái gì =]]

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Con này trong To Love Ru. Chắc vẽ chúc mừng kỷ niệm bao nhiêu năm gì đó của To Love Ru.

ConChymBay · 1/11/17

truyện éo gì suốt ngày chỉ thấy té ngã mông vú thì cũng bt coi bộ high school dxd còn nhìn đã mắt hơn

BI_AN · 1/11/17

Phỏng vấn Tori - Toyo độc quyền trong tập 4 Dragon Ball Super manga
https://www.reddit.com/r/dbz/comments/7a0lff/dbs_manga_volume_4_full_toriyamatoyotarō_interview/

Tori-Toyo Free Talk Vol.2
The two authors discuss the secrets behind the birth of the "Future Trunks Arc"!!

Toyotaro: What was your starting point for creating the "Future Trunks Arc"?

Toriyama: I think I started by going "let's change things up a bit."

Toyotaro: I was shocked when I first read your original draft. I had thought of gods as being absolutely good, so having one of them turn evil raised the tension. The sense of tension flowing from the story from that point onward was incredible. I think it's tough to make things tense in a Dragon Ball story. But setting the fight in the alternate "future" where there are no Dragon Balls creates a crazy sense of tension, since obviously nobody can come back to life if they die... And before that, when the story starts you don't even know the enemy's true identity. Zamasu's personality was also something we hadn't seen before. The villains of Dragon Ball are typically absolutely evil, so there's nothing wrong with defeating them, but Zamasu was a slightly more complicated case of "warped justice".

Toriyama: At his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story (laughs).

Toyotaro: Majin Buu doesn't have that sort of psychological conflict.

Toriyama: Right! Frankly, I even found Cell to be a bit of a hassle (laughs). With enemies it's easier to just have them be straight-up bad guys so that they can just get beaten up. In that sense, I think Shojo manga are really incredible, since they have to continuously depict a girl's state of mind (laughs). I don't think I could handle that!

Toyotaro: It's increcibly difficult since things pile up and get more and more complicated. Even I had serious doubts about whether I had properly conveyed Zamasu's state of mind. Did I do it right...?

Toriyama: Don't worry, you did great! It's precisely because you drew it for me that the "Future Trunks Arc" was able to be made! On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.

Toyotaro: Personally I think I just barely managed to pull it off, but it's an honor for you to say that (laughs). To change topics, I have a question about the characters of the "Future Trunks Arc". I think the enemies this time around had a huge impact. With Goku Black in particular, how did you come up with the idea for him?

Toriyama: It was something I wanted to try out just once. Something like "False Ultra Man" or "False Kamen Rider"...

Toyotaro: Oh, was that it?

Toriyama: Yeah! I wanted to do "False Son Goku" (laughs).

Toyotaro: "Goku Black" is a great name.

Toriyama: Well, it's like "Kamen Rider Black" (laughs).

Toyotaro: It fits amazingly well! Of course, Goku Black was voiced by Masako Nozawa-san, but she speaks so politely... I suppose that comes from Zamasu? I hear the editorial office received fan letters from women saying how sexy that performance was (laughs).

Interviewer: Toyotaro-sensei, do you add in your own ideas as you turn Toriyama-sensei's original draft into a finished manga?

Toyotaro: That's right. Ultimately things need to head towards the conclusion indicated by Toriyama-sensei's original draft, but during that process I want to give various characters things to do. Vegeta being stubborn shows off the appeal of his character, and makes the story more exciting. And of course I want to make Trunks look cool, and even Gowasu... basically I want each character to get the chance to shine. At times like that I depart slightly from the script, but I guess you could say I'm faithful to its essence.

Toriyama: I welcome it! After all, you know far more about Dragon Ball than I do (laughs).

Toyotaro: Well, my goal is to be the No.1 fan (laughs). Still, it's not just about my desire to give various characters a chance to shine; there are also times when this sort of thing is necessary to arrive at the goal you've indicated, Toriyama-sensei. For instance, if the goal is for Goku to have a direct showdown with Zamasu† at the end, I can't simply have Goku reach that point in peak condition. There needs to be various twists and turns before the two can face off against each other. This time around in the "Future Trunks Arc", there were many such twists and turns that I created... though I was a bit uncertain about them...

Toriyama: No, it's better that way! I think it's better to let your individuality as an author shine through, rather than just follow the path I set down for you. it would be unbalanced if it were all just my ideas, so it's better like this.

Toyotaro: While I tried not to take things too far afield, I certainly did get to use many of my own ideas at points. Like thinking "wouldn't it be interesting if Trunks trained in the Kaioshin Realm, and had healing powers?" (laughs)

Toriyama: It's definitely better that way.

Interviewer: Super Saiyan God Vegeta likewise only appeared in the manga version.

Toriyama: I supervised that. I remember (laughs). It was fun to see Toyotaro-sensei's ideas start coming out more and more.

[Caption to picture of Goku using Mafuba] In addition to the Mafuba, which was in the original draft, various other twists and turns were created...!!

Interviewer: Were there any other difficult points?

Toyotaro: Zamasu† actually wasn't all that strong of a character in the original draft I received from Toriyama-sensei. Though immortal, his strength was such that two Super Saiyan Blues were more than enough to take him on. It's precisely because of this that in the original draft things unfolded so that his "immortality" and "Potara time limit" became key, and Goku and Vegeta took turns fighting him. Goku and Vegeta didn't fuse in the original draft. Their personalities made any fusion after the Majin Buu arc impossible. However, I wanted to meet the readers' expectations... And so, I made a scenario where "even if they shouldn't really fuse, now they have absolutely no choice but to fuse".

Toriyama: I think it was good!

Toyotaro: That's why I thought and thought until the rough draft came together... It was the most fun and also the most stressful time. But once that got the OK, it was a fun job after that!

Toriyama: Most of the time I gave the rough drafts for the "Future Trunks Arc" the OK right off the bat!

Toyotaro: I'm very glad to hear that. Still, I was also glad when you'd occasionally give advice. I was like, "He really did read it!" (laughs)

Interviewer: Things heated up for Toyotaro-sensei when he got pointers from Toriyama-sensei. "Yes! He looked it over!!" (laughs)

Toyotaro: No, I was truly happy.

Interviewer: From your perspective Toriyama-sensei, how do you feel Toyotaro-sensei has evolved now that we've reached Volume 4?

Toriyama: As far as his illustrations go, previously it always seemed as if he was chasing after my Dragon Ball. However, recently his own colors have started to emerge, and I think it's made for a definite improvement!

Toyotaro: Oh, I'm much obliged.

Toriyama: Let's see...if I have to say something else, then I guess it's that you're too careful! Particularly with battle scenes, it might actually be good to cut corners a bit.

Toyotaro: Battle scenes are really difficult, and I'm always fretting over them...

Toriyama: I had trouble drawing fights too. But sometimes drawing them with a rough touch can produce good results, oddly enough. That's why it's important to cut corners (laughs). That'll be perfect!

Toyotaro: I'll keep that in mind!
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- Điểm đáng chú ý là Vegito không hề có trong cốt truyện gốc ban đầu của Tori vì Merged Zamasu thực sự không mạnh và với điểm yếu là "giới hạn thời gian Potara", Goku và Vegeta SSB hoàn toàn có thể đánh bại. Tuy nhiên Toyo vì muốn chiều fan nên đã cho Vegito xuất hiện mấy khung trang

- Trunks có năng lực chữa thương và SSJ God Vegeta xuất hiện cũng là ý tưởng của Toyo và Tori đã duyệt ý tưởng này.

Toriyama: I supervised that. I remember (laughs). It was fun to see Toyotaro-sensei's ideas start coming out more and more.
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gotei13 · 1/11/17

ơ trunks học chữa thương ở đâu ấy, đọc xong chả nhớ gì cả

jiang_wei · 1/11/17

Mình thì nghĩ là vì bọn TOEI chứ không phải chiều fan. Cả TOEI lẫn Toyo đều cho pháp lực của Zamas mạnh quá mức quy định.

hgiasac · 1/11/17

gotei13 nói: ↑

ơ trunks học chữa thương ở đâu ấy, đọc xong chả nhớ gì cả
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Sau arc Cell, Trunks làm đệ tử Kaio Shin đánh với Babidi nên học được skill đó.
Timeline này Saiyan tèo hết rồi nên Buu không đủ ki để nở ra, giết Babidi với Dabura là xong
Chi tiết này Future Trunks flashback trong manga Super có vài khung tranh thôi, không nhớ là phải

http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Dragon-Ball-Chou/016----Future--Trunks--Past?id=322220

BI_AN · 1/11/17

gotei13 · 1/11/17

^ cảm động wớ.

atlans89 · 1/11/17

N.Emblem · 1/11/17

ai nhớ bộ goku đổi vai với vegeta ko nhỉ

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