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  1. vietnam_tanks321

    vietnam_tanks321 Mr & Ms Pac-Man

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    Bismarck ah, theo mình nghĩ thì bismarck chưa là gì đâu.


    Bác vào đây tham khảo xem thế nào http://www.navyfield.com

    Đây cũng là 1 game online (được 7 tuổi rồi) chuyên về tàu chiến, theo như phân bổ thì Bismark ( lvl80) chỉ là BB (BattleShip) thế hệ thứ 3, còn có 4, 5 và 6 nữa, trùm tàu Đức là BB6 Kaiser lvl120
     
  2. snicoo

    snicoo The Warrior of Light

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    con Yamato đóng xong đem thí mạng bị hội đồng 1/2 ngày mới chìm chứ nếu cạch tay đôi với Bismarck thì cũng chưa biết con nào hơn con nào đâu
    game thì ko so phe đồng minh hay ko rồi, cũng như wot thôi
     
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  3. vit12345

    vit12345 Chrono Trigger/Cross

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    bismarck imba thế cơ à[​IMG]

    thôi mình đợi H44 nếu có=))
     
  4. pip8184

    pip8184 C O N T R A

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    gặp CV thì BB mất điện hết =)), lý do vì sao bây giờ chẳng nước nào đóng BB nữa.
     
  5. The Iron Eagle

    The Iron Eagle Sam Fisher, Third Echelon Agent

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    Bismarck tuổi gì đấu với yamato, 1 con là pocket battleship (hybrid cruiser-battleship), 1 con superheavy battleship... bắn nhau là biết thằng nào thua rồi

    Yamato chỉ có Montana BB của Mỹ là cân dc, Iowa còn chưa đủ tuổi...
     
  6. daltons

    daltons Sam Fisher, Third Echelon Agent GameOver Lão Làng GVN

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    WG đưa thêm các con tàu còn trên giấy vô nữa, tha hồ chơi, sợ mấy con như yamato, bismarck còn ko được làm tier cuối
     
  7. vietanh797

    vietanh797 †A Faithful Knight† Moderator Lão Làng GVN

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    bọn đấy làm tier cuối cũng đã vãi hết cả non rồi chứ tàu trên giấy mà vào game thì lại có tên lửa tomahock mất:6cool_beat_shot:
     
  8. haibeo3

    haibeo3 Fire in the hole!

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    bismarck nghe dev nói là tier 8 BB của Đức.
    BB thì sẽ sợ CV, DD (cùng tier).
    game này ra có khi mình chơi DD của Jap cho vui, thích dùng tàu nhỏ phá hoại tàu cỡ lớn :)
     
  9. vietanh797

    vietanh797 †A Faithful Knight† Moderator Lão Làng GVN

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    thả đc torp thì con BB nó nhận chìm béng ông rồi chứ ở đó mà phá hoại :8onion38:
     
  10. vit12345

    vit12345 Chrono Trigger/Cross

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    Japanese Bias nên em sẽ cố làm mấy em CA của Jap, pháo to lại có cả torpedo=))
     
  11. vietanh797

    vietanh797 †A Faithful Knight† Moderator Lão Làng GVN

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    kinh nghiệm chơi NF mình là lao lên thả torp xong là xuống đáy biển chơi với cá vì bọn BB nó nã chuẩn vcd
     
  12. EzioAuditore

    EzioAuditore C O N T R A

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    thực tế thì tầm phóng torp từ DD ngắn hơn so vơi tầm bắn của mấy khẩu 16inch, 18inch mà, với lại di chuyển trên mặt biển có khó khăn hơn trên đất liền nên đâu phải muốn lượn là lượn như t-50-2 là lượn được đâu. mà thường thường, BB mà đối đầu với tàu khác thường xoay ngang thân để có thể sử dụng tối đa mấy khẩu pháo. ăn 1 loạt 18inch gun chắc chỉ có BB, CV may ra.....
     
  13. vietanh797

    vietanh797 †A Faithful Knight† Moderator Lão Làng GVN

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    thả 16 quá torp xon là pháo chùm nó bay khắp mình thấy thảm thiết lắm
     
  14. The Iron Eagle

    The Iron Eagle Sam Fisher, Third Echelon Agent

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    CV ăn đạn thì hư bà nó sân bay thì phóng máy bay bằng mắt à =))
     
  15. haibeo3

    haibeo3 Fire in the hole!

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    BB game này nghe nói muốn bắn chính xác nhất thì phải bắn ~ 3 salvo (thông tin từ dev) mà thời gian nạp đạn 1 salvo sẽ nhiều hơn so với NF rất nhiều, tầm bắn nhỏ hơn tầm phát hiện >> DD vẫn có khả năng lao vào thả torp rồi rút mà không bị trầy xước nếu chưa bị máy bay phát hiện từ sớm :))
     
  16. I_M_TOMMY

    I_M_TOMMY Mega Man Lão Làng GVN

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    Cái URAL Steel vào đến Semi Final thì đến 3/4 là team của Gấu :5cool_sweat: The Red: Rush Unity đã lên ngôi sau khi đánh bại The RED-Z GRA với tỉ số 3-1 :5cool_bad_smelly:
     
  17. Utopia

    Utopia The Warrior of Light

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    Tôi đố Yamato với Montana đuổi được Bismarck đấy :))
    Kể cũng hài, trên biển thì tàu Đức mang phong cách tank Pháp =))
     
  18. The Iron Eagle

    The Iron Eagle Sam Fisher, Third Echelon Agent

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    vấn đề là tầm súng Bismarck ko bằng 2 thằng kia, nên chạy là chạy luôn, chả làm gì dc =))

    ---------- Post added at 01:06 ---------- Previous post was at 00:50 ----------

    [spoil]
    Q: Which time period will be covered by the game?
    A: In the game we will introduce Warships from the start of dreadnought era till the dusk of the Artillery Warships.

    Q: What classes of Warships will be presented in the game?
    A: In the game we will introduce following types of Warships:
    Battleships. This is the heaviest ship of the team. The most armored and protected warships, which normally have medium speed and large-caliber weapons
    Cruisers. Depending on the specific warship, the main traget of this class will be hunting enemy destroyers or protecting the team from aerial enemies. And, of course, Artillery battle with other cruisers.
    Destroyers. The smallest and the fastest in World of Warships. Torpedo's are their main weapon and battleships main targets. Also can help with aerial defence of the team
    Airaraft carriers. Big and vulnerable warships, which have big range of fire thanks to planes: fighters, bombers and torpedo carriers. The gameplay on an aircraft carrier will be similar to RTS-games.
    Q: Will you have submarines in the game?
    A: No, because submarines are quite vulnerable, when not underground. So there won't be any player controlled submarines in the game.

    Q: Who is developing the game
    A: Lesta Studio under Wargaming control.

    Q: Will you be able to give a warship a name and make it displayed to other players?Also, are we going to be able to fly flags, to reflect country and clans?
    A: It's planned to allow players to select warship name from the premade list. As for flags, we do plan to allow clan flags aside of regular premade list of flags (which will include countries).

    Q: What size of maps will WoWS have?
    A: 50х50km, with probably bigger ones in future.

    Q: Will you integrate all 3 projects in one battlefield.
    A: No, because it's impossible

    Q: When will Alpha Test be started?
    A: As soon as the game will require this stage of Development.

    Q: Does player controlls only one warship?
    A: Yes, he does

    Q: How many nations will be introduced in the game?
    A: By released we will have full Japanese and USA trees. Afterwards we plan to introduce Britain, germany, USSR, France, Italy.

    Q: How the crew system will work?
    A: Crew will be represented by small amount of main officers, which will have their own skills and perk. There will be a possibility to knock out the officer. In this case warship will suffer penalties similarly to vehicle in World of Tanks.


    Q: The average dogfight lastedroughly 45 seconds, and small tank on tank fights would not ussually last long either. However ship to ship clashes would often last hours on end, and usually a few ships would be sunk and others damaged before one side retreated. How does WG plan on making battles last only 15 or so minutes?
    A: In time period of our game warships already had enough firepower to sink an armored opponent fast enough. History also has some facts about 'oneshots'. For example, admiral-class battlecruisers Hood was one shot by Prinz Eugene during WWII, because of setting ammunition deck on fire. We are very careful to historical details and will tune the gameplay in the way, when player will feel operating a true steel monster.

    Q: What will happen if you get shot below the water line will your ship begin to flood or will it just be normal damage
    A: Both things will happen. You will have the HP bar as well as some kind of flooding bar. As for flooding mechanics - it is complex enough, but players do not need to now how internal things actually work, it is enough to know that after a certain number of hits under the waterline with big guns it is possible for the ship to capsize. And it can actually happen even before you loose your green HP bar points. Predicring further questions, there will not be any repair/flood micromanagement - everything that can be repaired will be repaired to at least of 50% effectiveness automatically, or to 100% with consumable used, same story with flooding.

    Q: How will the upgrade system look like?
    A: There will be predefined lists of what you can mount onto the ship, and all armament and machinery will be in that lists. We call them pre-sets. Everything that is listed in pre-set will be installable at once; players will not be allowed to mount each AA gun manually.

    Q: Will there be scouting-specific aircraft launched from non-carrier warships?
    A: Yes, you can launch hydroplane from non carrier warship. All planes will provide scouting for every allied ship.So spotting will be a little different from WOT, but based on the same principles.

    Q: Will the firing range be much longer than the spotting range?
    A: Yes, firing range for many ships (BBs especially) will be much longer than the spotting range - use your planes, Luke!

    Q: What kind of ammunition will there be with the different classes of guns?
    A: AP/HE/Common, etc. AA guns will have the HE and radio-controlled shells as well. Armament will be customizable like in WOT - you will be able to load shells you like most, though only historical types of shells for specific guns.

    Q: Is there going to be weather on release?
    A: There is going to be a wheather, but no guarantee for it to be in release version - though later it is very possible.

    Q: Can you give me a tier number for the Bismark? it will be a tier 10?
    A: 8 at best

    Q: With Air craft carriers, How many planes will I be able to launch and how Do I control them? IN a RTS view?
    A: Many planes - at least tens of them. Yes, they will be controlled in RTS view

    Q: Will we be able to lay smoke screens in the game?
    A: Smoke screens are possible.

    Q: After the testing is done do you expect Patrol boats(PT and Eboats), submarines, and destroyer escorts?
    A: No. No U boats, no PT boats, no patrol boats. Our game is about big ships.

    Q: Will waves and wind be a factor when shooting?
    A: No! Ships of WWII had complex FCS and Gyroscope systems to avoid these factors.

    Q: How will the interface of game play be like such as sniper mode torpedo mode and so on?
    A: Third person view, binocular view, arty-style view for long-range firing and top-down view for aircraft managing.

    Q: Will we be looking at realistic engagement distances and times?
    A: Yes, realistic distances, though shells will have a tuned up speed (like 3-4 times higher to make game a little more fast-paced). Shells will also have their dispersion ellipse as in real life. You will have to predict the position of impact of your salvo, though the game will show you the exact dispersion ellipse of that zone. After first 3 salvoes, you dispersion ellipse will become minimal, which represents specification of target parameters

    Q: Since ships have multiple gun turrets, how will that work?
    A: Main caliber guns, controlled by player will aim all at one target. And no, this can not effect WOT problems. Second caliber huns are controlled by AI, though you can mark priority targets for them.

    Q: Reading that players choosing a Destroyer will have a three accompanying AI-controlled destroyers, and choosing a Cruiser will have an accompanying Cruiser; How will that work?
    A: That's very old info. We will have no AI controlled ships in PvP - if player choose a DD, than balancing tool will get another three players on DD in that team slot. Totally there will be 10 slots approximately.

    Q: What's the tonnage of the biggest ship that'll be featured on WoWs?
    A: Less than 80k. We are not considering ships with higher than 80k displacement to appear in game, because such ships are more about magic than about possibility of technology of 1940s.

    Q: What Top Tiers will there be for release?
    A: USN will have the Iowa and Montana as the tier10 BBs in game, while IJN (Imperial Japanese Navy) will have Yamato and N13. There will not be any ships with higher tier than 10.

    Q: If you run your ship aground would it be impossible for it to sink?
    A: Yes. But it will also be almost impossible to live long after that with small HP left.

    Q: Can you tell us why its only going to be the USN and the IJN at teh release of the game and not having a third nation?
    A: Because it takes about 3 months for one person to make, for example, a battleship. Of course we have more than one 3d modeller, but you must understand, that ships are very complex things, and it takes time to build it and to tune it with a gameplay point of view. So we decided to concentrate on two nations with biggest fleets in WWII, and to implement other nations after.

    Q: How far are you guys on getting alpha/beta out?
    A: Well, we are already on a pre-alpha stage, so we have some maps, some ships and some gameplay features working. When we are done with core gameplay features and with polishing them, we will start the closed Alpha.
    a) There are like 30 ships already made, but very few of them are actually tuned enough to be in game.
    b) Already acceptable, though there are still things to remake and to polish
    c) We already fight each other on a developer fightings.

    Q:Some battleships such as the German H class designs had a large set of main guns AND torpedoes. In these case, which of those would be the main armament, or would they both work as such?
    A: You will be able to switch between torpedoes and main caliber guns.

    Q: Somewhere above the devs said smaller nations like sweedan, and dutch ships would be in game, would this be as a tech tree or more likely premuim ships?
    A: It depends on how many ships we will find

    Q: When your carrier (or any ship with aircraft flying) is sunk, will your aircraft instantly be destroyed or can you still control them until they run outa ammo and fuel?
    A: You will be able to control the rest of your planes until they are out of fuel.

    Q: Also, will ships be able to become "beached" or will the battle ground be out in open water further from shore to prevent this?
    A: There won't be any special radar sight of any kind. Radars will just bring bonuses to accuracy and range of sight.

    Q: Will there be a team damage occur? Will there be a fine system in place similar to WoT?
    A: Yes, there will be similar system

    Q: What will be German Top Tiers, once the Tree released some time after?
    A: Currently we are planning to have their H39, H41 and H42m though thing may change closer to release date.

    Q: You've already disclosed Top Tier available upon release. And what will be Tier 1?
    A: Erie for USN and Katori class for IJN

    [/spoil]

    khi WoB ra thì sẽ ra 2 phe Nhật và Mỹ trước
    tàu cấp 1 là Erie class của Mỹ và Katori class của Nhật
    vẫn sẽ có trường hợp ammorack chết ngay như trường hợp thiết giáp hạm Hood ăn đạn của tuần dương hạm Prinz Eugene
     
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  19. snicoo

    snicoo The Warrior of Light

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    ^
    thì con yamato pháo chính của nó to 460mm (9 khẩu) mà, đệch to hơn gấp 2 pháo con GW Typ E
    lại thêm 1 đống pháo từ 155mm trở xuống nữa :5cool_sweat:
    pháo chính mà bắn đồng loạt chắc như thế này ( hình con USS Missouri) dòm thôi đã thấy thèm
    [​IMG]
     
  20. The Iron Eagle

    The Iron Eagle Sam Fisher, Third Echelon Agent

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    đệt, mới để ý giá đạn cây top gun con uralmash cứ như con T-54 ấy... lại thêm 1 thằng đốt tiền nữa:6cool_what:
    thêm nữa là giá đạn cây 100mm đấy đắt hơn cây 122mm top của Su 122-54 :4cool_doubt:
     
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